Hillsborough Says 'No' to Domestic Partnership Registry
Hillsborough County Commissioners opted against pursuing a registry for same-sex partners during Thursday's meeting.
A measure that would have given same-sex partners more freedom to make medical and financial decisions for each other failed to get the support it needed from Hillsborough County Commissioners on Thursday.
The board voted 4-3 against creating a Domestic Partnership Registry for Hillsborough County.
Commissioners Al Higginbothom, Sandra Murman and Victor Crist voted against the motion. Commissioners Mark Sharpe, Kevin Beckner and Les Miller voted in favor.
Commissioner Mark Sharpe introduced the measure.
"As a citizen who lives in this county and as tax payer aren't they owed the respect and right to have these six basic rights and services that government itself provides," Sharpe said.
The City of Tampa approved a domestic partnership registry in April. The registry opened its rolls in June and so far 369 people have registered. Pinellas County decided to create it own registry last week. Nearby Pasco has yet to consider the issue, said Commissioner Pat Mulieri.
Sharpe suggested patterning the county's registry after Tampa's.
Tampa's registry allows the following rights to couples who register:
- to visit his or her partner in health care facilities
- to make certain health care decisions for his or her partner
- to make funeral and burial decisions for his or her partner
- to be notified as a family member in case of emergency
- to be designated his or her partner's pre-need guardian
- to participate in the education of his or her partner's children
The issue created a lot of discussion during the public comment portion of the meeting before the final vote.
"It is a matter of basic fairness," said Joyce Hamilton Henry, director of the ACLU’s Central Florida Regional Office. "One doesn’t have to agree that same-sex relationships are the same as heterosexual relationships to realize it is unfair to treat committed couples as strangers."
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Betty James, a Sun City resident disagreed.
"When I heard that there was a proposal being presented here to create domestic partnership registry I was stunned," James said. "My first reaction was that county commissioners who are in favor of this must be thinking that Hillsborough County adults don’t have the sense God gave a goose.
"They’re not smart enough to use the Internet to download forms for durable power of attorney or appoint a health care surrogate?" James added. "All of those things can be done (and) you don’t have to have an attorney."
To be eligible for the domestic partnership registry, couples must be unmarried adults, not committed to another person through another registry or civil union, live together, and agree to be responsible for each others basic needs.
About 16 locations in Florida have domestic partnership registries, including the City of Tampa, St. Petersburg, Gulfport, Clearwater and Pinellas County.
"My position is based squarely on my faith and personal beliefs," Higginbothom said before casting a vote against moving forward on the domestic partnership registry.
Nathan Warren, a Carrollwood Patch Facebook reader, had this reaction after news broke that the board rejected the measure:
"It's really sad, that in a time of progression - where even our president mentions us as "Gay brothers and sisters" - that Hillsborough County would slide backwards," Warren wrote. "Many of us live and work in this county. We are consumers, tax payers, business owners, we do your hair, some of us are doctors, nurses, lawyers. We exist on every level of Hillsborough County society. All we want is legal acknowledgement of our rights with our partners. Is that too much to ask?"
Carrollwood, do you agree with the commission's decision not to create a domestic registry for Hillsborough County?
Joseph E. Caudle
11:02 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
LGBT couples should have the full civil rights of other citizens. I am a happily married heterosexual man, but it pains me that our gay and lesbian friends do not have equal rights, just as it pained me in 1969 that my African American friends did not have equal rights in Washington, DC.
Commissioner Higgenbotham should reflect that a Christian discriminating against homosexuals is much like a Moslim discriminating against Christians--both acts are "squarely based on ...faith and personal beliefs."
Basic civil rights belong to all Americans.
Joe Caudle
Tampa
Suzanne
11:16 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
I believe the right decision was made.
Bryan
11:01 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
And I believe you're a bigot. Go away and take your hate with you.
Li
12:16 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Can't believe some people feel entitled to deny others in such a way. Higginbotham says his position is based onhis faith.... is his job to be a preacher?
Charles Eldredge
1:00 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
This has nothing to do with rights. It has to do with those who own the media and our gov't wanting to break down the Christian moral foundation in the United States. For some reason Christian faith is seriously in their way. It only takes a glance at prime time television to see the social engineering they are attempting, and sadly, having some success at doing. I lived the gay lifestyle from age 15 - 36....I'm now 54. I thought I was born that way because I had attractions to men, because the media had then begun to tell me I was born that way, because I wanted to believe it, and because I didn't have a Christian moral compass telling me differently. Now I know not to let feelings dictate who I am or what I do. I also see the lies now. To get back to the subject...I didn't find restrictions in people and life around me because of my gay lifestyle. The people who knew me treated me as equally as they did anyone else. Sure there were people who were ignorant and treated me badly because of my lifestyle, but they were the tiny minority. The gay rights issue and gay people are being used for a bigger agenda...and they certainly don't realize it. They think enlightenment has come. (conclusion in next comment)
Charles Eldredge
1:01 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
I have to make another point about this larger issue. When the argument was put forth that giving homosexuals special status could open the door to those who want to have sex with children or animals it was poo pooed as not being a fair comparison. That such horrible things could never be considered ok. I recently read this story about pushing past same sex laws, "Man Accused Of Having Sex With Donkey Challenges Constitutionality Of Laws Banning Sex With Animals" and he has public defenders (Marion County) pursuing this line of defense. They are saying partly that because the law in Florida is based on morality instead of consensuality or harm it should be struck down. So where does this road take us? The gay rights issue has nothing to do with rights. People, for the most part, treat the people they know as people. I've seen the rules bent in hospitals and many places and situations because of that.
Sean rothrock
7:21 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Charles, reading your post doesn't say anything about if you are for or against it. Let me consider this for thought, WE ARE HUMAN!! I don't know why you brought up the stories because it doesn't pertain to anything about domestic partnership registry. All people should have the rights like every one else does.
Bryan
11:03 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
You are so blinded by your religious values that you're pushing them on others who don't want them. Me being gay and wanting/gaining rights does nothing to effect your life, but you being a Christian effects mine. How sad is that? Go. Away. And quit lying to yourself.
David Hardingham
1:37 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Then I Guess you’re for LGBT couples being able to be married then. First I like to say I had had no choice at all to be 100% strait and I sure that LGBT did have that choice either. And even no matter what religion we all god’s children so being against civil unions is also godless.
But even for those who actively hate LGBT but this law would of helped poorer strait couples as well that simply cannot afford to get married
David Hardingham
1:52 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
By the way you become a Health care surrogate which is second tier to family and grants no rights to partners children’s activity’s
Sean rothrock
7:23 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
To everyone reading this... I am gay, in a relationship with my boyfriend Brian and loving it :)
RD
12:56 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I always chuckle when Christians talk about preserving the *sanctity of marriage* as though they took their marriage vows seriously. The overall divorce rate for non-churchgoing married couples is 50%, churchgoing Christians is slightly lower at 48% and a whopping 60% for Evangelicals who attend religious services regularly. It's too soon to tell if gay marriages will have similar results but clearly the *sanctity of marriage* is a joke. Better come up with some other dumba$$ reason for your hated and bigotry. The majority of Americans have hearts and are for gay marriage.
Eric Misener
1:38 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
While religious views can inform personal decisions, they have no place in the purview of public policy. The United States is not, and never has been "Christian" in any official snese; in fact both the Constitution and historical preecedent militate against such a conclusion. Unless the County Commission can articulate a "Compelling Government Interest" for refusing a domestic partner registry, this decision is not only bad policy, but unconstitutional as well. Remember the names of any Commissioner who votes on public policy due to religious reasons and vote against him or her in the next election...
DANIEL BARSHAY
1:49 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Consolidate. Here we are, forty-some years after our last try but now with a population overwhelmingly urban. We’re ready. It’s a new century. Solutions that impact on a huge population are being made at the county level by people who have discredited themselves more times than can be remembered.
Politically we’re nowhere: 85% unincorporated. The city of Tampa is actually but a tenth of the county physically. Tampa has separate districts that are hardly contiguous. Result is duplication. Instead of economizing on operations, we have rival bureaucracies. End product is one overcorrected child. No wonder Tampa is the laughingstock of the nation. Why argue image? Our reality's bad.
Fix it and that will be our image. A makeover we could pull off. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, it could be the fight of our lives, but we need consolidation. We need it argued over and voted on. Give referendum a chance. Otherwise, we face ambivalence forever.
What a mercy. We’re one tally away from what everybody’s crying for. What we are is a case of arrested development. We just don’t want to go through the maturation process. Should we call for reinvention and succeed at it, the world will take notice. Should we continue to do as we’re told, our self-contempt is the message. Loud and clear.
Which will it be? More of the same? Or we do what has to be done?
DANIEL BARSHAY
1:53 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Unmistakably, county organization lags way behind population growth -- even as its reactionary contingent resists necessary change for our population to take its rightful place at the table. It’s just weeks ago the Economist featured Tampa as the decisive pivot for Election 2012. Note the county voted Democrat in both 2008 and 2012, even with the ongoing vote-suppression measures that worked so well for the GOP in critical states in the Bush years.
Any issue we might have with the powers-that-be (essentially oligarchs) stem from our I4 environment branded by Rand-McNally as the “most corporate” in America. We are held back by government officials who embarrass us with corruption, waste, and antihuman measures. No solution is forthcoming until the voters organize and take our government back from the powers that be and their minions feeding at the public trough.
Our every issue breaks down to the fact the system is rigged. That the 2000 debacle should occur and threaten to recur in Florida should surprise none of us.
Contrary to popular opinion, it’s not ignorance that’s oppressing us, though bigotry and contrarianism does prevail. Except for Ph.D’s, Hillsborough County still has more degrees than the rest of the country per capita.
DANIEL BARSHAY
1:58 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
It’s our culture. We’re scattered. We’re not integrated. We tend more to cocoon and not mix. Our escapism stems from the fact most of us came relatively recently from other parts of the country and the world. We don’t look to history and tradition. The flipside of laidback and easygoing is loosey-goosey and blasé. As a culture we seem lazy. Expediency rules. We follow the path of least resistance. For example, 1958 is the year the subject of consolidation first formalized in this county. It was endorsed by everybody -- the Mayor, the Council, Chamber of Commerce, etc -- but it took almost a decade for it come before a popular vote. The vote went against it but not by such a margin that another vote wasn’t called for, especially considering the massive reorganization any such change calls for.
Well, this took another three years. Again, a close vote.
The next time, referendum came sooner. Two years.
Each time scare tactics are invoked by the usual suspects, demagogues protecting their power base (favors, financial support, revolving-door hiring) and consolidation is denied.
Maybe it's time the LGBT commuity stands up and leads the charge toward modernization of government. Go Stonewall. Weigh in and show what numbers mean in a democracy.
DANIEL BARSHAY
2:39 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
H I L L S B O R O U G H C O U N T Y : THE TAIL THAT WAGS THE DOG
Just a couple of lifetimes ago, a few hundred native Americans inhabited what is now the thousand square miles of Hillsborough County. Today, our county has packed within its borders enough people to fill Iceland four times and its capitol five. In our county, we’ve the equivalent of the entire area of the country of Luxembourg with twice its population -- yet we’re but 15% incorporated.
Why is that? Why isn't that massive population center unified and mobilized?
Used to breakneck growth for 130 years, we still outpace the rest of the country, even in the midst of economic downturn. However, as populated as we are (density of the Netherlands) we are restrained by a county government that’s at odds with its own population. Case in point is the vote on civil partnership which two out of three residents want but was voted down Thursday by our elected reps regardless.
Should the city be rolled back to county line (as is the case of Philadelphia -- a similar number of citizens) we’d be the 7th largest city in the US by population and the 5th largest in size. However our density would still be less than that of Jacksonville, a city that consolidated half a century ago.
Payoff for consolidation is to gain serious attention through becoming our true size instead of the #53 US ranking we’re currently reduced to. All other benefits pale in comparison.
DANIEL BARSHAY
3:00 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ANNUAL GROWTH
census-----citizens--decade's growth--annual growth
1840------------452
1850----------2,377------------425.9%---------42.59%
1860----------2,981-------------25.4%-----------2.54%
1870----------3,216---------------7.9%------------.79%
1880----------5,814--------------80.8%----------8.08%
1890---------14,941------------157.0%---------15.70%
1900---------36,013------------141.0%---------14.10%
1910---------78,374------------117.6%---------11.76%
1920---------88,257--------------12.6%----------1.26%
1930-------153,519---------------73.9%----------7.39%
1940-------180,148---------------17.3%----------1.73%
1950-------249,894---------------38.7%----------3.87%
1960-------397,788---------------59.2%----------5.92%
1970-------490,265---------------23.2%----------2.32%
1980-------646,960---------------32.0%----------3.20%
1990-------834,054---------------28.9%----------2.89%
2000-------998,948---------------19.8%----------1.98%
2010-----1,229,226---------------23.1%----------2.31%
Est 2011 1,267,775--------------------------------3.10%
David Hardingham
4:32 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
yes Hillsborough has grown as Pinellas has little room to left but we had the swamps, marshes and parries which turned into new Tampa and when Teco cleaned up there horrible coal plant in south Tampa that grayed the sky and put a layer after layer of toxic soot on everything make the area much nice so Brandon’s growth went into that area as well as the forests and farms of Valrico. With all that growth it also require roads school utilizes police stations parks which impact fees come no were close to covering which is why those in the county have a higher property tax rate by about 30% in 1990 when I bought my house as it a lot cheaper to maintain the build new which is why Tampa was smart not to push out in the past